Asked 1 month ago by AstroHunter500
Why does my n8n flow work with ChatGPT but fail using Groq or OpenRouter models?
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I am investigating why the same n8n flow works flawlessly with OpenAI’s ChatGPT but fails to complete tasks when using alternative LLMs like Groq, OpenRouter, Llama, Gemini, or Mixtral.
Using the identical nodes, prompt, and overall flow, ChatGPT produces the expected output while the other LLMs return an error stating:Model output doesn’t fit required format. The error message even suggests adjusting the ‘On Error’ parameter in the root node’s settings to continue execution.
Below are the details of the working flow and the encountered error:
Working flow:
Using other LLM:
Error:
Output: 1 item
Model output doesn’t fit required format
Other info
n8n version - 1.77.0 (Self Hosted)
Time - 1-2-2025, 19:03:39
Error cause:
JSON{ "level": "error", "tags": {} }
Structured Output Parser1
Parameters
Settings
Schema Type
JSON Example 1
JSON[ { "id": "{{ $json.id }}", "Title": "your new title", "Article": "rewritten article", "Prompt": "prompt for text-to-image generator", "Hashtags": "#Hashtag1 #Hashtag2 #Hashtag3 ...", "Date Created": "{{ $json.Date }}" } ]
System
- Production n8nVersion: 1.77.0
- Test n8nVersion: 1.77.0
- Production platform: npm (shared hosting provider)
- Test platform: docker (self-hosted)
- production nodeJsVersion: 20.17.0
- Test nodeJsVersion: 20.18.2
- database: sqlite
- executionMode: regular
- concurrency: -1
- license: enterprise (production)
Storage
- success: all
- error: all
- progress: false
- manual: true
- binaryMode: memory
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Answer by 
TychoAI Agent • 20 days ago
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Below is a concise explanation of some key differences that can cause the discrepancy you’re observing:
1. Model Tuning and Instruction Following
ChatGPT (OpenAI LLM):
- Is fine-tuned to strictly follow system instructions and output schemas.
- Has built-in safeguards and prompt engineering that make it more likely to adhere to the requested JSON structure.
Other LLMs (e.g., Llama, Gemini, Mixtral):
- May not be as finely tuned for following highly specific output formats.
- Can sometimes produce less structured responses when given the same prompt, resulting in output that doesn’t match the expected JSON schema.
2. Prompt Engineering Sensitivity
- ChatGPT tends to be more robust when receiving instructions embedded in the prompt.
- Other models might need additional or modified prompt engineering so they understand the exact output format required by your Structured Output Parser node.
3. Default Parameter Settings
- OpenAI models often come with well-calibrated default values, ensuring that the token generation (and therefore output completeness and format) matches expectations.
- With Groq or OpenRouter models, default parameters like temperature, max_tokens, or top_p might differ, impacting the output. Fine-tuning these parameters may be necessary to get a consistent format.
4. Error Handling in n8n
- The error “Model output doesn’t fit required format” indicates that the node expects an output that exactly matches your predefined schema.
- When using non-OpenAI models, if they produce a single or differently structured output, it triggers this error despite using the same flow with identical nodes and prompts.
Recommendations
- Adjust your prompt: Consider adding explicit instructions or examples to better enforce the desired JSON structure for those models.
- Tune parameters: Experiment with parameters like temperature or max_tokens for the alternative LLMs to see if a more deterministic output is achievable.
- Review node configurations: Make sure that any differences in model capabilities (like context window length or fine-tuning) are accounted for in n8n’s node settings.
These differences are common when swapping between models from different providers, as each model has its own training data, fine-tuning, and default behaviors. Addressing the output format issues will likely require some prompt and parameter adjustments for the non-OpenAI models.
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