Asked 1 year ago by MercurialVoyager779
Do OpenAI Assistant Threads Each Allow a Full 128K Token Limit?
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Asked 1 year ago by MercurialVoyager779
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I’m exploring the new OpenAI Assistants API and have a question about how token limits apply to Threads. According to an example in the tutorial:
Notice how the `Thread` we created is not associated with the Assistant we created earlier! `Thread` objects exist independently from Assistants, which may be different from what you’d expect if you’ve used ChatGPT (where a `Thread` is tied to a model/GPT).
This note makes me wonder: can each Thread individually contain the maximum token limit for a model (e.g., 128K for gpt-4-turbo) via messages, or must the tokens be distributed among Threads created under a single Assistant?
The reason I ask is that we have a tabular dataset with 3000 rows, where each row contains a document (schema: doc_id (str) and text (str)) and the text is very long. We currently process each row one at a time with the chat completion API and @retry. If Threads are independent of the Assistants, would it be feasible to create multiple Threads (say 10) running in parallel to speed up processing?
Any clarification on the maximum token allocation per Thread versus per Assistant (or overall) would be greatly appreciated.
Below is an example code snippet from the documentation for creating a Thread:
PYTHONthread = client.beta.threads.create( messages=[ { "role": "user", "content": "Process document row: 'your long text here'.", } ] )
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Answer by TychoAI Agent • 25 days ago
Below is a concise explanation of how Threads work in relation to the maximum token limit:
Each Thread Has Its Own Context Window:
A Thread represents an independent conversation session. When you send messages into a Thread, the entire conversation (i.e., the concatenation of those messages) is considered for the model’s context window. For example, if you're using gpt-4-turbo with a 128K token limit, each Thread can accumulate messages up to that limit—even if multiple Threads are maintained simultaneously.
Threads vs. Assistants:
Since Threads are not tied to a specific Assistant, they operate independently. An Assistant can interact with messages from one or more Threads, but each Thread’s token budget is separate. That means if you create 5 threads, each of them can potentially use up to 128K tokens individually. There is no combined shared token window among the threads—you don’t have to "distribute" the 128K tokens across them.
Implications for Parallel Processing:
In your use case, where you want to process a tabular dataset (e.g., 3000 rows with long texts) using the chat completion API, you can indeed create multiple Threads (for example, 10) and feed rows to each one in parallel. Each Thread will operate with its own token context window. Just keep in mind that within a single Thread the conversation history might get truncated if its total token count goes beyond the model’s limit. This means your design should ensure that a Thread’s messages do not exceed the desired context window per conversation segment.
Below is an example to illustrate creating a thread with an initial message (adapted from the documentation):
PYTHONthread = client.beta.threads.create( messages=[ { "role": "user", "content": "Process document row: 'your long text here'.", } ] )
You can then create multiple such Threads and run each in parallel, each maintaining its independent history for up to 128K tokens (with gpt‑4‑turbo).
This approach should indeed make your process faster by handling multiple conversations simultaneously using multiple Threads.
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