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Asked 1 month ago by SolarCommander735

Why do my normal PDF values exceed 1 when plotting log file offsets in Python?

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I am trying to plot a probability density function (PDF) for the offset values extracted from a log file, but the y-axis shows values greater than 1. I parse the log file to extract offsets and sequences using the following code:

PYTHON
timestamps = []
sequences = []

log_Name = 'test_rtt_25-01-17_13-07-41_values5_rate50.log'
log_Path = "/home/ubuntu/results-25-01-09-docker/"
true_Path = log_Path + log_Name
with open(true_Path, "r") as f:
    for line in f:
        if not line.startswith('#'):
            time_part, seq_part = line.strip().split('(')
            base, offset = time_part.split('+')

            timestamps.append(float(offset))

            seq = int(seq_part[:-1])
            sequences.append(seq)

The above code reads the log file and saves the offsets in the list timestamps and the sequence numbers in sequences. For example, the data might look like:

PYTHON
[0.001009023, 0.001055868, 0.000992934, 0.001148472, 0.001086814, 0.001110649, 0.001066759, 0.00126167, 0.001231778, 0.000944345]

[0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]

Each offset corresponds to a number (e.g. 0.001009023 is the first offset). Next, I create a DataFrame and plot the normal PDF based on the computed mean and standard deviation:

PYTHON
source = {'seqs': sequences, 'times': timestamps}
df = pd.DataFrame(source)
df.sort_values(by=['times'], inplace=True)
df_mean = np.mean(df['times'])
df_std = np.std(df['times'])
pdf = stats.norm.pdf(df['times'], df_mean, df_std)
plt.plot(df['times'], pdf)
plt.xlabel('Offsets')  # Label for the x-axis
plt.savefig('/home/ubuntu/')

This produces an output like the following:

Even though I expected the probability values to be less than 1, they are much larger. Why does the normal PDF show these high values? Also, note the complete working code with imports and display setup:

PYTHON
import pandas as pd
import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
import scipy.stats as stats

timestamps = [0.001009023, 0.001055868, 0.000992934, 0.001148472, 0.001086814, 0.001110649, 0.001066759, 0.00126167, 0.001231778, 0.000944345]
sequences = [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]

source = {'seqs': sequences, 'times': timestamps}
df = pd.DataFrame(source)
df.sort_values(by=['times'], inplace=True)
df_mean = np.mean(df['times'])
df_std = np.std(df['times'])
pdf = stats.norm.pdf(df['times'], df_mean, df_std)
plt.plot(df['times'], pdf)
plt.xlabel('Offsets')  # Label for the x-axis
plt.savefig('fig.png')
plt.show()

Any insights on why the density values exceed 1 and how to interpret the PDF in this case would be appreciated.

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Answer by StackOverflow TychoAI Agent • 1 month ago

The behavior you're seeing is expected. The key point to understand is that a probability density function (PDF) is not a probability—it is a density. For continuous distributions, the area (i.e., the integral) under the PDF over a range gives you the probability. The value of the PDF itself can be greater than 1, especially when the standard deviation is very small. For example, if you have a normal distribution with a small σ, then around the mean the density value can be very high.

Your offsets are on the order of 0.001, so the computed standard deviation is very small, which causes the value of the normal PDF calculated using stats.norm.pdf to be high near the mean.

If you want to verify that your PDF is a valid density, you could numerically integrate it over the range of your data. The integration should be approximately 1.

Below is an example using scipy.integrate.quad to check the integral:

PYTHON
import pandas as pd
import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
import scipy.stats as stats
from scipy.integrate import quad

timestamps = [0.001009023, 0.001055868, 0.000992934, 0.001148472, 
              0.001086814, 0.001110649, 0.001066759, 0.00126167, 
              0.001231778, 0.000944345]

sequences = [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9]

source = {'seqs': sequences, 'times': timestamps}
df = pd.DataFrame(source)
df.sort_values(by=['times'], inplace=True)

df_mean = np.mean(df['times'])
df_std = np.std(df['times'])

# Calculate the PDF values for our timestamps
pdf_values = stats.norm.pdf(df['times'], df_mean, df_std)

# Plot the PDF
plt.plot(df['times'], pdf_values, marker='o')
plt.xlabel('Offsets')
plt.ylabel('Probability Density')
plt.title('Normal PDF for Offsets')
plt.savefig('fig.png')
plt.show()

# Verify that the PDF integrates to ~1.
integral, error = quad(lambda x: stats.norm.pdf(x, df_mean, df_std), df['times'].min(), df['times'].max())
print("Integral over the data range:", integral)

In this code:

We define the data and calculate the mean and standard deviation.
We calculate and plot the PDF using the small σ.
We integrate the PDF over the data range to verify that the area under the curve is close to 1.

Remember, even if the PDF has values greater than 1, it is still a valid probability density function as long as its integral (area under the curve) equals 1.

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Answer by NebularPathfinder815 • 1 month ago

Here are three estimates of the PDF of the distribution underlying your data: maximum likelihood estimate (MLE, normal distribution), kernel density estimate (KDE), and Rosenblatt's shifted histogram (RSH).

The MLE here is only valid if you have reason to suspect that your data is normally distributed; however, you can use the same approach to fit other distributions to your data and plot their PDF. KDE is a continuous nonparametric estimate, and RSH is a discrete nonparametric estimate.

PYTHON
import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
from scipy import stats, integrate

times = [0.001009023, 0.001055868, 0.000992934, 0.001148472, 0.001086814, 
         0.001110649, 0.001066759, 0.00126167, 0.001231778, 0.000944345]
times = np.asarray(times)
x = np.linspace(0.0008, 0.0014, 300)

# Maximum likelihood estimate normal distribution
mu, sigma = stats.norm.fit(times)  # simply the mean and uncorrected variance
X = stats.Normal(mu=mu, sigma=sigma)

# Kernel density estimate
Y = stats.gaussian_kde(times)

# Rosenblatt's Shifted Histogram
z = stats.mstats.rsh(times, points=x)

plt.plot(x, X.pdf(x), label='MLE Normal Distribution')
plt.plot(x, Y.evaluate(x), label='KDE')
plt.plot(x, z, label='RSH')
plt.legend()
plt.title("PDF Estimates")

I have no idea why the probability is much bigger than 1,

The probability density function of a continuous distribution evaluated at x is not the probability that a random variable will assume value x( In a probability density function for a continuous random variable any single outcome has probability zero of occurring. Probability density is the probability per unit length, in other words, while the absolute likelihood for a continuous random variable to take on any particular value is 0 (since there is an infinite set of possible values to begin with SOURCE Wikipedia)), so it is not subject to the constraint you are thinking of (which is true of a probability mass function of a discrete distribution).

If the PDF is f(x), the probability that a random variable assumes a value between x and x + h is approximately h * f(x) for sufficiently small h. The relevant constraint here is that a valid PDF must be non-negative and integrate to 1 over the support. Indeed:

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# provide limits of integration so the integrator can
# easily find the nonzero part of the function.
integrate.tanhsinh(X.pdf, 0, 0.15).integral
# 0.9999999999999987

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Answer by NebulousSurveyor067 • 1 month ago

The accepted answer doesn't work with me.

When running it on Online Matplotlib Compiler or my Win PC

I get:

BASH
line 12, in 
    X = stats.Normal(mu=mu, sigma=sigma)
        ^^^^^^^^^^^^
AttributeError: module 'scipy.stats' has no attribute 'Normal'

Changed the accepted answer code to:

PYTHON
import numpy as np
import matplotlib.pyplot as plt
from scipy import stats, integrate

times = [0.001009023, 0.001055868, 0.000992934, 0.001148472, 0.001086814, 
         0.001110649, 0.001066759, 0.00126167, 0.001231778, 0.000944345]
times = np.asarray(times)
x = np.linspace(0.0008, 0.0014, 300)

# Maximum likelihood estimate normal distribution
mu, sigma = stats.norm.fit(times)  # simply the mean and uncorrected variance
#X = stats.Normal(mu=mu, sigma=sigma)

normal = stats.norm(loc=mu, scale=sigma)

# Kernel density estimate
Y = stats.gaussian_kde(times)

# Rosenblatt's Shifted Histogram
z = stats.mstats.rsh(times, points=x)

plt.plot(x, normal.pdf(x, ), label='MLE Normal Distribution')
plt.plot(x, Y.evaluate(x), label='KDE')
plt.plot(x, z, label='RSH')
plt.legend()
plt.title("PDF Estimates")

plt.show() #needed on my Win PC to show plot

Output:

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