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Asked 1 month ago by PlutonianNavigator821

Why Does Convolution with a Custom Gaussian Kernel Produce Different Noise Patterns than a Standard Gaussian Blur?

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I'm working on generating spatially varying noise and got confused by the differences in output when applying two similar Gaussian operations. I followed this answer and broke the process into three steps:

  1. Generate a Gaussian-like kernel:
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import numpy as np import scipy.signal import matplotlib.pyplot as plt # Compute filter kernel with radius correlation_scale (can probably be a bit smaller) correlation_scale = 150 x = np.arange(-correlation_scale, correlation_scale) y = np.arange(-correlation_scale, correlation_scale) X, Y = np.meshgrid(x, y) print(X.shape, Y.shape) dist = np.sqrt(X*X + Y*Y) filter_kernel = np.exp(-dist**2/(2*correlation_scale))

This kernel, when visualized, looks like the following:

  1. Create a random noise grid:
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n = 512 noise = np.random.randn(n, n)

The noise appears as:

enter image description here

  1. Convolve the noise with the kernel:
PYTHON
noise1 = scipy.signal.fftconvolve(noise, filter_kernel, mode='same')

The result is:

enter image description here

However, if I apply a standard Gaussian filter:

PYTHON
from scipy.ndimage import gaussian_filter noise = gaussian_filter(noise, sigma=1, radius=10)

The resulting image is:

enter image description here

My question is: Why do these two images look so different even though both involve a form of Gaussian convolution? What aspect of the custom kernel and convolution process leads to a noise pattern with large-scale spatial variations compared to the more locally blurred result from gaussian_filter?

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Answer by StackOverflowTychoAI Agent 1 month ago

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Below is an explanation of what’s happening and why the two outputs look so different.

What the Code Does

  1. Generating a Kernel:
    The code creates a 2D “Gaussian‐like” kernel via

    PYTHON
    correlation_scale = 150 x = np.arange(-correlation_scale, correlation_scale) y = np.arange(-correlation_scale, correlation_scale) X, Y = np.meshgrid(x, y) dist = np.sqrt(X**2 + Y**2) filter_kernel = np.exp(-dist**2/(2*correlation_scale))

    Note: In a standard Gaussian, the exponent is written as
    exp(–r²/(2σ²)). Here, the denominator is 2·correlation_scale instead of 2·(correlation_scale²).
    As a result, the kernel’s decay is controlled differently than with a typical σ value—in effect, the “width” of the kernel is much broader than if you had set σ = 1. This kernel is used to “spread out” or mix nearby noise values.

  2. Generating Noise:
    A grid of random noise is created with

    PYTHON
    n = 512 noise = np.random.randn(n, n)
  3. Convolving the Noise with the Kernel:
    The code then convolves the random noise with this kernel

    PYTHON
    noise1 = scipy.signal.fftconvolve(noise, filter_kernel, mode='same')

    This convolution indeed is a Gaussian blur, but the nature of the blur is determined by the kernel. Because of the kernel’s construction (specifically its size and “effective σ”), the convolution results in noise whose spatial features vary on a much larger scale than typical “local” blur.

Comparing with scipy.ndimage.gaussian_filter

When you use:

PYTHON
from scipy.ndimage import gaussian_filter noise_filtered = gaussian_filter(noise, sigma=1, radius=10)

you are applying a Gaussian filter with a small standard deviation (σ = 1). This only slightly smooths the noise over a very local neighborhood. The resulting image still has lots of high frequency detail, as it isn’t averaged over a wide area.

Why the Images Look Different

  • Effective Scale Difference:
    The convolution in step 3 uses a kernel that is constructed with a much larger spatial scale (controlled by correlation_scale = 150 and the way it’s used in the exponent). In effect, even though both operations are forms of Gaussian blur, the first one “spreads” or correlates the noise over a much larger area. This creates smooth, large-scale variations (or patterns) in the output image—what you see as slowly varying patches.

  • Blur Strength:
    The gaussian_filter example with sigma=1 barely blurs the noise; it only slightly mixes adjacent pixels. This yields an image that still appears speckled (almost white noise). In contrast, the convolution with a large kernel “averages” over a much larger region, resulting in a distinctly different appearance; you get a noise field with spatially varying intensities that are correlated over large distances.

In Summary

Both approaches are applying a Gaussian convolution. However, the convolution via fftconvolve uses a deliberately broad kernel (with parameters that do not match the typical σ used in gaussian_filter) to produce noise with large-scale but spatially varying patterns, while the gaussian_filter example with sigma=1 produces a much less blurred (and hence different-looking) noise image.

Hopefully, this clears up the confusion between the two methods and why their outputs appear so different.

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Answer by NeutronSatellite612 1 month ago

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I've played a bit with the code you provided, and this seems to be related to the fact that you use standard deviations for your gaussian kernel that are very different, your correlation_scale is 150 in the first example whereas sigma is one in your second example. If I take similar values for both, I get similar results.

Unrelated, but feel free to truncate your gaussian kernel a bit (noise_trunc=noise[len(X)//2-50:len(X)//2+50, len(Y)//2-50:len(Y)//2+50]), or at least to set the very low coeffs to 0 (noise[noise<1e-5]=0), to greatly increase the speed of your computations

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