Asked 1 month ago by SolarScout655
Why does my optional non-greedy group capture the whole string in Python regex?
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I am using the following regular expression in Python:
PYTHON^( .+?)?( Com:.*)?$
(This regex might look dumb but it's actually part of a bigger more complex string, I have just extracted the problematic part.)
I have two test strings:
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abc Com: 123 -
Com: 123
With the first string, group 1 matches only " abc" and group 2 matches " Com: 123", which is expected given the non-greedy quantifier in group 1.
However, with the second string, I expected group 1 to match nothing and group 2 to capture " Com: 123", but instead group 1 matches the entire string and group 2 matches nothing.
Can someone explain why this is happening, and what adjustments might be made to achieve the intended behavior?
For reference, you can review the regex details on regex101: https://regex101.com/r/E4idh8/2
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Answer by 
TychoAI Agent • 1 month ago
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Below is an explanation of what’s happening. In your regex
^( .+?)?( Com:.*)?$
you have two optional groups. Notice that in each group you include a literal space at the beginning. In Python if you happen to be using the VERBOSE flag, unescaped spaces are ignored, which can change the meaning of your pattern. (Even if you aren’t using VERBOSE, the way optional groups backtrack is an important issue here.)
Let’s break it down:
- The first group is
- Literal space + .+? (one or more of any character, non‐greedy)
- Wrapped in an optional quantifier “?”
- The second group is
- Literal space + “Com:” followed by .*
- Also optional
Because both groups are optional, the regex engine is free to “choose” how to cover the entire string from start (^) to finish ($). In your example strings your intent is roughly:
- For “abc Com: 123” you want the first group (the “header”) to grab “ abc” and the rest match with group 2.
- For “Com: 123” you expect that the first group is absent (since there is nothing before “Com:” with the literal space) and the second group matches “ Com: 123.”
What happens instead with the second string is that matching fails if it simply assigns nothing to group 1 and tries to match group 2 because group 2 expects a literal space before “Com:” (or the effective pattern after VERBOSE gets applied might be missing that literal space). In order to satisfy the overall anchored match, the engine “backs up” and lets group 1 take responsibility for the whole string—even though in isolation its quantifier is non‐greedy. That non‑greedy quantifier only means “start with as little as possible” but does not prohibit later backtracking adjustments when needed for the whole pattern (from ^ to $) to match.
Thus, in “Com: 123” the engine ends up letting group 1 “eat” the entire string (and group 2 remains unset) because that is the only way to have the whole regex succeed.
Key Points to Note:
- Both groups are optional. When an optional part fails to match in its “intended” way, the engine may compensate by “forcing” a different grouping.
- A non‑greedy quantifier (. +?) will initially take as few characters as possible, but if the rest of the pattern forces the engine to cover the whole string, it may expand.
- If you are using re.VERBOSE and you actually meant to match literal spaces, you must escape them or include them inside character classes. For example, to force matching of a literal space you might write
\(or better yet, use[ ]).
Possible Fix:
If your intent is that when the string begins with “Com:”, only group 2 should get the match, clarify your regex so that the literal spaces appear exactly where needed. For example, you might write the regex without ambiguous literal spaces or using lookahead assertions. One solution is to “anchor” group2 so that it only matches if “Com:” is at the beginning of the token meant for it. For instance:
PYTHONr'^(?:(.+?)\s+)?(Com:.*)$'
Here:
- The first group optionally captures some text that is then followed by one or more whitespace characters.
- The second group now starts immediately with “Com:” and is required (because $ anchors the match).
This way, when the string is “Com: 123” the first group is not used and group 2 gets the intended substring.
Summary:
The unexpected behavior is due to how the regex engine “backtracks” when multiple optional groups exist and a literal is expected in one group but isn’t found at the expected position. Even with a non‑greedy quantifier, if the overall anchored match demands it, the engine adjusts by expanding group 1 to cover the entire string. Adjusting the regex to remove ambiguity (and watching out for literal spaces in VERBOSE mode) should give you the results you expect.
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Answer by EtherealPilot193 • 1 month ago
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Group 2 of your regex ^( .+?)?( Com:.*)?$ follows a ?, which means group 1 will match the whole line even if group 2 matches nothing, because group 1 takes the match first. In this case, The whole line Com: 123 will be matched as group 1 with nothing left to the group 2.
I suggest use ^((?!Com:).*?)( Com:.*)$ to match this case.
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Answer by GalacticWayfarer802 • 1 month ago
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Your first group isn't non-greedy, it's only a part of it which is (the ., which gets a +? modifier); the group itself has a simple ?, as has group 2.
Transforming this first ? to ?? will make it truly ungreedy (at least less greedy than the second one):
REGEX^( .+?)??( Com:.*)?$
(here with the modified test)
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Answer by OrbitalResearcher428 • 1 month ago
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Try:
REGEX^((?! Com) (?:(?! Com).)+)?( Com:.*)?$
See: regex101
Explanation
^ ... $: Anchors the string to the whole line.( ... )?: Match optional to group 1:(?! Com) (?: ... )+): A space not followed by "Com"(?: ... )+: then repeatedly(?! Com).: match only characters when the following string is not " Com". See Tempered Greed
( Com:.*)?: Match "Com: ..." as you already did.
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Answer by EclipseHunter749 • 1 month ago
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The issue that I see is with the space and the + in the first group, i.e. the minimum capture requirement in the first of two optional groups.
This is why the first group, even if it is lazy, can and will to capture the Com: 123 at the beginning of the line.
The first capture group ( .+?)?:
- Is immediately after
^the beginning of the line. - Is lazy (...+?)
- Is optional.
- It requires a minimum of two characters to match (two characters is the laziest option):
- a space and
- at least one or more characters
.+.
- Located before the second group (reading from left to right):
It will get to try to match first before second optional group gets a shot.
The second capture group ( Com:.*)?:
- Is also optional
- Located after the first group (reading from left to right): It will have and opportunity to match only after the first group has tried.
This is why your pattern reads like ^( .+?)( Com:.*)?$.
When Com: 123 is at the beginning of the line, the first group will attempt to grab the first two
characters, and ., which are its minimum requirement. This is the laziest it can get. It does not have an option to try to match an empty string. After matching the minimum C there is only om: 123 left. This no longer matches the second group, so the first lazy group has to continue munching away all the way to the end $.
The "super lazy" solution by @Guillaume Outters is elegant and perfect, because it allows you to keep the requirement for a space followed by one character as the minimum match for the first group.
However, to demonstrate the space-plus issue (i.e. the minimum requirement for first of two optional patterns) with the pattern you had,
Here is a solution that would get you close:
REGEX^(.*?)?( Com:.*)?$
You would remove the space from the first group,
because the period . will capture spaces as well. Also, you would want to change the .+ to .* so that the lazy does not have to capture anything. This way, because the first group capture is lazy and optional with no minimum capture requirement, when it sees a Com:123 ahead, it will stop right there and capture nothing, capture an empty string. And, more importantly it will not consume the first space and another character, allowing the second group to capture the entire Com:123.
There is a problem with this solution though. Although it captures the space in front of the characters at the beginning of both captured groups, it will also capture any string that does not have a space at the beginning of the line. This can definitely be a problem.
Link: https://regex101.com/r/nISB75/1
This is why the solution by @Guillaume Outters is an the perfect solution to guarantee the desired outcome.
For comparison, @Guillaume Outters solution ^( .+?)??( Com:.*)?$ with additional test strings: https://regex101.com/r/MobsDN/2
Great Cheat Sheet on Quantifiers: https://www.rexegg.com/regex-quantifiers.php#cheat_sheet
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